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Old 10-26-2004 | 09:57 PM
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Default RE: PA- Who has shot BB and will you in the future?

Our group are stewards of the herd where we hunt, not selfish as you characterize us, and I will tell you why;

Where we hunt at home is private property. Many guys hunt it though as it is not posted and as with the PA tradition, guys that live around here feel permitted to hunt. A good many that don't live here hunt also. The only limiting factor is safety zones and a few areas that most guys feel uneasy about venturing into. During the gun seasons it is like a war zone, with many, many, mostly antlerless deer being taken. We have a good many groups that buy scores of tags and fill them all. A case in point is a neighbor of mine that has already as of today, taken 5 antlerless already this year, and will take a good many more. We call these guys gluttons and they are, for they sit in the same area and harvest away till time runs out. You say that we don't do our part, but if AL tags were allocated more intelligently, we would be glad to participate. This concept translates to the game lands problem where the same guys go with their book of tags and kill anything that moves. If they hunted many different areas, their effect would be spread out and useful, but they empty the woods in the same place year after year. These are the same guys that scream at the GC when their overhunted areas are devoid in following years.
The spots that we hunt are relative sactuaries for deer escaping the mobs. The older more mature animals go there when the pressure starts and these deer are the ones that are left to propagate the next years crop. If the bag limit was less, and we didn't see those guys skinning a doe or BB in the garage every other day, we might feel justified in taking a few of the escapees. We gauge what we feel right in taking out of the herd by what we see as far as pressure from the annual "deerhunters".
We have often pondered taking a few doe, as every good QDM guy will preach, but every year it gets worse as more guys come in each year, and all have a book of tags to fill. The numbers ARE declining, and I fully expect these same guys to start complaining very soon, but it is not WE the "rack" hunters that are removing these scores of deer, it is they the "deerhunters" that are. We always gauge our efforts against what is best for the herd, and for many years we have not felt good about the idea of harvesting these deer that seek refuge, because there is less and less each year. Do you think these groups care about leaving some for seed? I would tell you NO! I know for certain that they would shoot every last one if they could get to them. For me to take these deer would not do a thing to alleviate the overpopulation in an area that I don't hunt that is far away. I have nothing against hunting for the meat, and a family could well use several deer a year for food, but what I see some doing is just extreme. I know a guy in particular that is just obsessed with hunting and killing and can't utilize a fraction of what he takes every year. He ends up throwing tons away or just feeding it to his dogs by the tons. Do you think this "deerhunter" cares a bit about the herd? When an area is devoid, he will move on to another and not give a second thought to the loss of opportunity he has cost someone else. And so go the up and down densities that you pointed out. What ever happened to "take only what you can use"? Is that a lost Indian concept? I would bet more guys like me would enjoy taking a doe once in a while if we felt good about doing so.
So who is to blame? "deerhunters" or the GC?
I would say both, The deerhunters because of their excessive wanton overharvest in the same overhunted areas year after year, and the GC for allowing it to go on, with the rediculous hope that killing ALL the deer in limited areas will balance out the overpopulated places that hunters are not permitted to go, or are just too lazy to go, because they are too far from the road.
Maybe my point has gotten lost in the words, so I will simplify it and wrap up this post.
Do you know what animal these guys target most? .... BB!
Why? Because they are the easiest and quickest to harvest because of their nature. The "deerhunters" that will take any deer will always take the easiest deer. They pat themselves on the back for not wanting racks. They criticize us "rack" hunters for not doing our part. What they don't understand is that we are willing to work harder and wait longer to get what we are after. They, on the otherhand, shoot our future opportunities all the while justifying it as controlling the herd. What they don't get is that they are not controlling the herd as the does that would grow the herd are left to do just that. So it is we that get blamed for leaving them when they are not what we are after and the justified are applauded for denying us "ours", while leaving "theirs". If the deerhunters really cared about controlling the herd, they would work harder and wait longer to take an animal that would really count in that regard. And maybe they would have to take less overall and make a better opportunity for everyone concerned.
And so exists my disdain for "deerhunters" that shoot BB at will, justify it as HR and then criticize "rack hunters" for not harvesting the animal they deem appropriate and politically correct, that they themselves won't work for or wait for. And then blame me for their "going home without a buck".
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