TerryM, I am mostly a archery hunter and only occasionally rifle hunt when time does not allow me to bow hunt. I say this because in no way am I an expert on rifles or bullets. But, to answer your question, I realy like the accubonds. My bull was only 65-70 yards away. I shot three times and recovered one bullet. To understand why I shot three times. I have to tell the story. I was going to wait until pictures, but here goes with the short verision. I was was on a trail leading back to camp when I encountered the herd of elk. I started getting the bull who was 200 to 300 yards away in thick timber fired up with my calls. Sounding like several cows and a raghorn bull. He was answering me and I could tell he was excited. Well right in the middle of this I saw a man and his son heading down the trail towards me on horses. Not wanting them to screw things up I pulled an archery trick on him. I let out a bugle that sounded like the biggest perfect bull in the woods. Just like I make at a calling contest. This man bought it, headed straight toward me. I was about 40 yards off the trail. He had a very dissapointed look on his face when he saw me and asked where is the bull. I told him that I was the bull. He told me, "No, I know what an elk sounds like and that was an bull elk I heard." I again told him that I made the bull call and called again just to prove it to him. He told me that I was good but that he heard a real elk bugle. Just then the real bull bugled again, but like real elk they don't always sound the best. I looked straight at the guy and said, "Thats my buddy. He's not very good is he." The guy said, "No, he doesn't sound good." With that I told him that my hunting camp 8 guys were all on this mountain. He turned and left wih his son. I was thinking that my chances at this point were not very good after talking to this other hunter. But I had nothing to loose. I again started to cow call with the lonesome cow call, fighting cow call, and my diaphram reed. Well the bull couldn't take anymore and ran towards me sounding like a freight train. He came in to 50-70 yards or so, but in the thick timber and low light I couldn't see him. He then started circling me to find out what I was. And just like if I was archery hunting I ran with the wind to close the gap between us. When I saw him he was about 60 yards away and I know he cought my secent. He started to run but a simple cow call made him hit the brakes and I shot a quick off hand shot. At the shot he dropped like a ton of bricks and I knew that his back was broken. But he was pushing himself up with his front legs. It's amazing of how quick you think of things and what you think of. Not knowing of where this other hunter was and with the bull trying to get up. My fear was that he (other hunter) would see the bull and put a finishing shot in him and claim him for himself. So not wasting any time I aimed carefully behind both shoulders and thumped him a second time. He was still kicking his legs and was holding his head up so I aimed just below his head on his neck and hit him again for the final shot. Out of the three shots, the first one broke his back and the bullet lodged itself in the hide on the oppisite side. The second and third went through the elk. My recovered bullet weighed 92 grains and was peeled back to the base. My handloads are moving at 3380-3400 fps. So that bullet was traveling at somewhere around 3250-3300 fps when it hit the elk. Not bad performence, if you ask me. On a side note my brother-in-law (300winnie) just got back from a last chance, last day hunt. He killed a 5x5 today as well. He was using a .300 Win Mag. accubond 200 gr. bullet. But I'll let him tell his story and not spoil it for him. I will say that of the 8 hunters in camp four of them killed bulls. A six point, two 5x5's, and a spike bull is good for a general season elk camp!