you know what makes me laugh is all this talk about where some people setup for there own managment and they ONLY WILL SHOOT THIS AND THAT BUCK dude get over your little managment program ok. whatever happened to all the REAL HUNTERS like myself that go out there and hunt in the wild woods not the MANAGEMNENT AREAS and still catch deer.just go out there and catch whatevr is legal and whatever makes you happy there is to much BS going on on this site. alot of opinions HERE every deer WITH A BOW IS A TROPHY OK. so get over YOUR MANAGEMENT ARES , where you know exactly where and what the deer will do. you call that HUNTING? i dont just my opnion lol as i am writing this 1 week in the books and 3 DEER...... and i am very happy and my freezer and my family is fed for the winter THE OLD WAY.......