Well let me first say I am very disapointed in the whole deer situation here in central PA. I've been out 8 times now and have seen 3 deer. Yesterday mid day here comes Mr. redfox and stops at 10yds... So what the heck, the only other thing I've killed with my bow has been a groundhog. So wap right behind the shoulder complete passthrough, went 15yds and that was it. I know it's not a deer but a trophy to me and a good addition to my mount collection. Now I'm really pumped because a deer at that distance ''should'' toast.