Rob,there's a big difference from what's happening in the northeast and western part of the state vs the north central.I grew up in Wyoming county and still hunt there every year,There's still a ton of deer and yes more bigger buck.The only reason this is so is because hr has failed and the herd is still increasing or at the very least stable.This is do to limited access and the fact that they're seeing less tags.3c which is over run with deer got a decrease of 3000 tags this year.

I moved to Clearfield county in the 1992 and what these guys are saying is true.This area is mostly public land and has been pummeled to the densities Alt is shooting for.The bigger wmu's concentrated hunters where they had the most access not where they had the most deer.Hunting deer out here is a stark contrast to what it's like hunting out east.We're at Alt's goals and you're way above them.That's not the plan and when and if the goals are accomplished in your area,you'll be complaining as well.

Hunting isn't fruitless at these deer densities but it is much harder and not what Alt led hunters to believe it would be like.I've killed a buck every year since I lived out here.In fact I killed a decent buck this year on the first day of archery.These dd's haven't effected my success one bit but it ain't like Alt claimed it would be.

Like I've said from the day I logged on here,it's all about forest certification.That's why 2g got an increase of 1800 tags(including dmap) and 3c which is way above their dd goal got a decrease of 3000.It's all about the timber,not the deer.You can stand up and say how great Alt is but the truth is,anywhere the hunting is better,still have more deer than the goal allotted for.

I hunt both extremes so I see both sides.In both cases,hunters are correct in their assumptions.The difference is,the better hunting,like Alt promised,is happening where his plan failed to reduce the herd.