thanks bagginbigguns its good to know that there is some one else out there that has the same problem. I know its not the bow because its been tuned and paper tuned and arrows fly great like I mentioned I can touch arrows together when I am shooting at a 3-d target in the killzone everytime and I can hit a rabbit or even a stump at 30yrds but when it comes to shooting paper bullseyes on a target I just can't seem to keep the pin on the bullseye and my arrows are little spread out. so I guess I can keep practicing but atleast I know that when it comes to a deer and other big game I am hitting right on the money.