Well to be honest with you I haven't shot many since I switched from Thunderheads to Muzzy's more than 10 years ago...my Muzzy's would shoot about an inch low left of my field points so with a slight sight adjustment...they'd be dead nutz out to 70 yards...yes that's right, 70 when I was practicing for an elk hunt...now I didn't say I'd take that shot, I just wanted to know I could....it made the 33 yards shot a chippy.