no luck in the morning on the mountain behind the house here in the mountains of western nc, whew what a trek, so i decided to check the upper pasture. its about 40 acres split by a tree line with another mountain, which i don't have permission for, on the far side of it. i went up there mid-day and there's sign everywhere, doe sign. normally i won't hunt there on the same day i scout, but i have been so impressed with my inability to smell myself after climbing a mountain, sweating profusely, that i thought i'd try it, plus just wanted to get back out there. thank you mfritz for your homemade scent killer. i got a little hang on up there and about 30 minutes before deep dusk 2 doe and a fawn came into the pasture at around 100 yds and meandered around feeding. the fawn had lost its spots but was small and still red. it was sooooo cute. one doe and the fawn meandered down a bit behind a small roll and the other doe walked back and forth eating in front of me. it was like a duck shoot at the carnival, only thing was i wasn't real sure of the yardage. it was between 45 and 60 yds and i didn't have my range finder. i haven't been up there since last year and couldn't pick out my distance. anyway i decided just to watch. about 15 minutes later one of them had come over my way from behind with the others trailing. now i can't get a shot off behind me because of a branch. by the time it got parallel it was about 15 yds, but other 2 were about 20 yds behind it. all 3 had now walked over my scouting trip multiple times and were not alarmed at all. only thing is the older doe in the back was eyeballing me. she wasn't alarmed but new there was something new in the stand. i did not want to get busted big time because i like hunting up there. so i held still and watched. this got old after about 20 minutes, so i moved a little in my asat 3d suit to spook them, didn't work. they each backed up about 3 feet and kept rotating between eating and looking at me. you should have seen them going around me to catch the wind. putting there heads straight up and sniffing. they never caught 1 wiff of me. not 1 blow. this scent killer and asat camo are almost too good. when it got dark dark and they were still around feeding and watching i started knocking on the tree with my knuckles to get them to walk off, they retreated to about 35 yds behind me and to the side. i packed up with my flashlight on and climbed down. they never got more than 40 yds from me as i kept catching there eyeballs with the light. i walked down the pasture and they never even took off or blew once. thanks again, this scent killer is awesome, and so is the camo suit. if i woulda had my range finder and the first opportunity was within 50 yds i would have taken the first one, hell, i've got a turkey at 53 and that's no lie. plus i'm shooting lights out. but if had just been the one doe and her fawn i woulda let her walk and waited for the rut, or at least another month to make sure the fawn was viable. we need a little management, as in controlling the ratio, but we are recovering from years of abuse by spotlighters and poachers, and when i say poachers i really mean poor as heck mountain folk trying to eat. anyway it was sure a blast being out and seeing deer and the scent killer worked great. thanks again.