I, in no way, meant to infer that jmfa is not a "real rifleman" simply because he claims to have a Ruger that will not group. My point was, that the evidence against Rugers is anecdotal and until I see some credible study showing that Rugers, on average, exhibit less accuracy then other mass produced rifles, I will have to believe that the negative reports may be based, in part on the fact that before his dying, Bill Ruger had built up a bit of rep of "selling out" to the anti gun crowd. Again, while I hear reports of rifles that will not group, those reports seem to cut across all strata of costs and brand names. In my experience, having had a dealer FFL for over 20 years and trading in firearms, I have seen no evidence that Ruger rifles produce less, in the way of accuracy, then do any of the other mass produced rifles. My opinion is not based on my loyalty to Ruger, or in the fact that I own Ruger rifles. I own and regularly fire many rifles. Only one of these is the Ruger M77 in .243Win, that was purchased new in the late 1960s.