I have made a few 20' ladder stands over the past few years. My dad owns a big weld shop so he can order me all the square tubing i need and i can weld, so it works out real nice. I spend about 25-30 bucks for a 18-20' ladder stand. I think its pretty cheap. I also have a climber but i cant remember the name of it exactly. I think climbers are to loud anyway and i have never had any luck from mine. Thats why it sits in the upstairs corner of my garage gathering dust .........