JD Thanks, I will be using the rounds for Whitetail deer.Most of the really tore up bullets were the early series of Ballistic tips and were either close and or shoulder shots.I think they are a little better now.I had one take the entire shoulder off of a smaller whitetail he was running towards me at an off angle.It went in the front left and then angled to the right hindquarter.I have never seen one tore up so bad .The bullet made 4 wound channels. Now I usually just try to high rib them ( just behind the shoulder and a little high) .They might not drop in their tracks but they don't go far.I think I might just get some of the hornady's and check them out.Back when I first started reloading with the LEE HAND LOADER they did real good in the .243.BTW it just don't seem right to load bullets with a hammer does it...............