Thanks guys. I Did go and look at a grayling today. Not to impressed at the quality of it but I guess they are trieng to make everything out of plastic today. I guess I will have to do some shopping around. They wanted $30 for the jig with a clamp. About how much is the Bitz? I would like to do my own work for years to come. I don't wan't to buy one I won't be happy with.