That's great advice jumpshootin', I appreciate it. My rat is "fetch obsessed". I've hunted with a lot of friends dogs and have never run across a dog that is so occupied with the idea of fetching things. I have to put all of his toys away or he'll drive us crazy all night long bringing 'em to us and whining for someone to throw them. I''m taking him with me dove hunting on Saturday morning, so I'll post on the sporting dogs forum and let y'all know how he did.