I've been playing around with a Wheely lately, and I'm thoroughly impressed. Very smooth shooting, quiet, pretty fast. Through a chrono last night: 60#, 306 gr, 29" went 297. Same specs with 378 gr arrow, 271. The Liberty at 70# is close to the same speed with the 378 gr arrow (maybe a bit faster?, not chrono'd). The Liberty is quieter, and has less recoil/vibration, though the difference is very slight. If you want a good 3D/hunting bow, the Patriot single is a very good choice. If you want something a little longer, the Wheely would fill the bill.