well i just found some info for the 165 grain bthp game king the info shows the best accuracy for a 20 inch barrel with 1 in 10 twist nearly the same as what my rifle has (22 inch barrel 1 in 10 twist) is a charge weight between 44 and 45 grains those charges in a 20 inch barrel produce between 2600 and 2670 fps. So i think I will back off my charge to 45 grains and give it a try id imagine in my barrel with 2 inches more barrel should produce a little closer to 2700 i'm guessimating 2,680 fps. which is about the velocity for a factory match loading. Thanks guys for giving a little more to think about if you have anything else to share you are most welcome I would love to read more ideas that might help.