Terry, once again you have a short term memory problem. I said a number of times that I support an erly doe kill. I also said I would go along with an early rifle season to do that but, of course, I can think of ways I'd rather see it done. Again I'll say that archers are 1/3 of our ranks but don't yet account for nearly 1/3 of the kill. I believe you've claimed to be a bowhunter. If you're not and you're jealous of the time we get in the woods go get yourself a bow and take advantage of it. At 80+ I can't imagine a doctor who wouldn't sign off on a crossbow permit for you if you can't manage a bow anymore. besides, your previous posts indicated that you don't want a early kill off. Now you say that we need a Sept 1 rifle season to do just that? Maybe you said that under one of your alias's and forgot we know who that was. Once again, it seems controvesy is the only thing you really beieve in. Cotroversy among hunters IS good for the PETAfiles.