ORIGINAL: kirkl
Trapper, just letting you know im not arguing with ya, just letting ya know my perspective on the subject.
Is that 8% taken from the big bull hunters, if so I wouldnt go on that, your sticking anywhere from 30-120 people in one unit hunting for big bulls in the week that they get to hunt early. When general season rolls around and theres 1000 hunters in a unit hunting 3pt or better, where do you think the success will go on big bulls. I could shoot a big bull every year cause thats normally what i see and so could alot of people in my elk camp. I think they should trust mother nature more also but then youll have every farmer that lives by the elk bitchin cause the elk are eating there crops so they end of being shot anyway. I think 3 pt or better would just be like hunting spikes, in a year or two alot of the big boys will be shot then your hunting for raghorns which will be scarce just like spikes are now. so you can kiss hunting for a trophy bull good bye. Utah has limited entry units also where they have to get drawn to hunt big bulls. Im not a game bio but this is the way i look at things.
Ya its spike only but I dont feel were killing all the young bulls, I live right by two feeding stations and there are young bulls all over so there escapement must not be to bad either. They have to be making it through the season otherwise you wouldnt be able to support the 3pt or better deal cause all there would be is old bulls.
I think if it was 3 point or better there would be a shoot out first couple years then where left hunting two year old spikes which are now raghorns so there still young and dumb. So your still hunting the same amount of elk as if they were spikes there just a year older but I think the quality of bulls will go down.
I I ubderstand I'm not argueing either just giving you my take. As far as the 8% that was total overall harvest of Elk for 2003, all weapons and I beleive all permit hunts combine, though it may have been just general seasons. It's up right now on the WDFW site. And also the escapement thing, I can't rmember where but I'm sure it was a WDFW stat that Bigger bulls( age 3yrs and up) have a better escapement thatn do younger bulls. To me that make perfect sense. My little girl wouldn't last a week on her own, yet I can. BUt your statement of letting the raghorns go will equate to dumber animals is just the opposite,yes humans won't pursue them specifically yet other predators will and they will learn to stay safe regardless of gun shots or tooth bites are coming at them.
And on the killing off the big bulls won't leave any around. Where I hunt, in the past 5 years one knob has turned out an 8X9, 8X8, a few 7X7s and I know of one 7X7 that is still there.Also in that smae time I saw an Elk that would be pushing the high 300's maybe even close to 400. All of that is three point or better and has more huntin pressure then the Sherman area during April