i say no to paying to hunt like a guide service / outfitter ..... but lets say you and a buddy get a license for a nieghboring state , and drive for the weekend and sleep in the truck or hotel ect , i say that counts , but no goin to like rwahide camps or nething..... cuz i could pay to go 2 hrs north to cherry ridge that isnt pen and its fair chase , but i get a gaurentee of a 160 class buck.,,,,, i think that is poop