his 1st shot was 30 yds broadise to the right shoulder bone. the elk started to run and it looked like the arrow just fell out 5 yds later. the elk stopped and you could see a little blood (not much at all) coming from the hit. it turned around and stopped (this was at 60 yds) and he put another in the opposite shoulder bone. ted found the 1st arrow after the commercial and it has 8" broken off, so it got alot more penetration than i looked on camera. after the recovery he said both sides penetrated. i know he shoots a light poundage bow. seeing those 2 hits made me cringe, but he sure came though. thats why he gets the big $$$