my first year i shot a doe that i had vetern hunters tell me i wouldnt kill one bigger...but i shot a few her size since and one bigger......not bad in what...5 years? last year was the biggest....my scopes like 14 inches long...her head was bigger....i dont see much horns so i usually take a few does each year....and pass on the little ones....now if i could pass does im sure id see bucks....but how can you let a beastly doe walk right by you when u have a loaded gun and an empty doe tag??? i love deer meat too much...this year i plan on taking a doe or 2 in oct with the flinter...so rifle season i can wait for a rack....i dont want to shot any does with the rifle this year.......