I started a thread about the SAIGA shotgun, it perked my interest. I have never seen one in person but I have tinkered with Russian Makarov pistols for years. My impresson of Russian designed and manufacured weapons is that they are dependiable, rugged, easy to operate, fairly accurate, even though they are not highly refined. I would be willing to bet it would outshoot the mini 14 and for the price if it doesn't you didn't loose out on much. Do you own one Moose_Maximus? What are your iimpressions?