NorthJeff. well said again. those states that you mentioned are teaching at a very young age. People in PA just say shoot any legal deer. Then you have juniors licenses that might be different than the rest of us as they might allow younger bucks to be harvested. I am not sure about that but If it is then we are doing no favor to the heard and to our kids by saying you can shoot any buck and don't have to wait for a bigger one like the rest of us. We are not teaching our kids anything. They need to be taught from the beginning about this like they do in the other states like Wis and ILL so they start from the beginning. We have to start young or it will be very hard to break

brian