I got the elite. Excellent shooter. Best muzzleloader I have ever had. I have a t/c hawken, knight wolverine (when they first came out), and an elite.

Last week, I shot way less than 2" groups at 100 yards using 3- 50gr 777 pellets with 240gr .45 XTP mags. This was using subbases due to the hot load. I didn't do this once but three times. I am a believer.

Only problem I have with my elite, is the bedding is funny. I have over 1/4" gap in the forearm. I had my gunsmith take this out and still have it free floated. But a freind picked it up for me at an knight auction for less than 200 dollars. So a little glass was well worth it.

I like the elite cause of the no sights, and contoured barrel.