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Old 08-09-2004 | 05:55 AM
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Default RE: Buying new .223 rifle HELP PLEASE

Listen to CE, he is correct. You will not be happy with the mini, accuracy is horrible at best if we are talking about any type of target shooting or even medium range plinking.

The two Ruger bolt rifles I had experience with were both M77 mark II Standard's, wood stock, blued finish. Overall a nice looking rifle. The first was in 25.06, after all my best efforts the rifle's best group was over 3" at 100 yards, that was with handloads that it "liked" and fired from a bench vise using a remote trigger actuator, eliminating 99.9% shooters error. With factory ammo it averaged just under 4" with same conditions. The other MK II was in .270 Win, it was slightly better but still was over 2.5 MOA from the vise. Neither rifle would be ruled out as not accurate enough to hunt meduim sized game under 250 yards with but still a little sloppy for my taste. I contacted Ruger and gave them a detailed description, the customer support rep. told me that honestly if I was trying to get Ruger to replace the rifle or barrel for accuracy alone I would only be wasting the money I spent for shipping. They do not warrant that a rifle will shoot to one degree or another. The barrels are thin but that should not be an excuse until after three or four shots when the barrel heated up. I just tested a Winchester Mod. 70 Featherweight in 30-06 that had seen about 16 years of heavy hunting, it has a USED thin barrel and with factory ammo fired a nice 1.6 " group, with handloads and a long overdue bore scrubbing it produced about 1.2" 5 shot groups. Both rifles were brand new, had no sighns of damage, and I took a beating on them when I sold them, I couldn't lie about their accuracy and was sure to tell any perspective buyer. Rifle manufacturing has improved over the past 15 years a great deal, it has almost become an industry standard for factory centerfire bolt rifles to fire 1.5 MOA or better. I say this trough experience sighting new rifles from my vise for folks, most do very well. Some even warrant that their rifles will hold 1 MOA, Weatherby is one, even with their Vangard rifles that you can buy at WalMart for under $400. Never tested the Vangard but it is warranted, for what it is worth the Vangard is made by Howa in Japan for Weatherby.

For your price range you are not going to find an auto loader that does what you want. Good luck any route you take.
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