Shot one of them new Patriots myself yesterday, and I also shot a couple of UltraTec's 2 day's before that. I have also shot a HavocTec, CyberTec, and a ProTec a while back in my quest for a new bow. I have come to the conclusion that my next bow will be the UltraTec. I shot one with the versa cam and cc+ side by side. I absolutely fell in love with the UltraTec w/cc+. The cc+ just felt much smoother to me than the versa cam did, a tad faster also. The only downfall of the cc+ is that you sacrifice a little brace height, 6 3/4" compared to 7" on the versa. But I did see that Bear stated it was 7 1/8" with the excel cam he ordered. I would really like to try a UltraTec with the excel cam before I make my final decsision. I did not want to go under 7" on the brace height, but that cc+ is just so sweet!! The CyberTec was also a sweet shooter but the BH was shorter than I wanted to go. The HavocTec was another sweet shooter but it was a little shorter bow (ATA)than I wanted. The ProTec was real smooth with really nice BH but seemed kind of slow compared to the UltraTec. Now the Patriot, the one thing it does have over the UltraTec is speed but that's it. I thought the UltraTec had a little less hand shock than the Patriot did. I known I'm probably going to catch a lot of hell for that statement, but I shot them both and that is what I thought. Also the Patriot was heavier, and I wasn't real fond of the grip either. Don't get me wrong I'm not bashing the Patriot, it's a sweet shooter, pretty fast too, but I personally like the UltraTec better. Hope I haven't offended anyone or pissed anybody off I'm just stating my own personal opinion, but when you get up into that price range of bows, their all really great bows, it just boils down to what feels best to you.