I just don't know what to think of all the nonsense lately. I have been more or less a Hoyt-only person for some time now. Most other brands have not really interested me. I can't buy one of everything anyway like some seem to be able to do (because I actually like being married). Studied and deliberated forever last year and ended up with a Vortec w/ redline cam. Shot the bow reasonably well, but never great. Made it through the season with it, took 3 deer ... but decided I was not satisfied. (if anyone wants a nice Vortec, contact me <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>) Started looking at this year's models. Shot a Havoctec and I must tell you it shot like a dream, much better than I would have expected. I began scheming on shooting the Cybertec and then making the decision between the two. And THEN, here we go .... Frank defects to try something new <img src=icon_smile_angry.gif border=0 align=middle>... All this talk about Bowtech this and Bowtech that, I began to read with interest. Patriot comes along and everyone was singing the praises. Had never even seen a Bowtech bow in person, but learned of a dealer a mere 40 miles away. Went down today and what did he have? A brand spanking new Patriot with infinity cam, still in the box. Though I didn't have time to shoot it today, I was able to draw it and generally scope it out real good. I gotta tell you my perceptions. There are a lot of discussions on here about quality of this bow and that bow and on and on ... never gave all that a lot of thought. On this point, however, the Bowtech really surprised me. Overall fit and finish of the Patriot I looked at is a notch above my Vortec. Absolutely NO gaps on either sides of the cam or idler, limb pockets and limbs all matched up perfectly, limbs and risor machined out perfectly, dipped finish without a flaw I could see, Winners Choice string and cable ... couldn't find a thing I didn't like. Will be shooting it Monday or Tuesday and most likely purchasing it (regardless of dealer protectionism or hidden warranty exclusions <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>). I probably said a lot here to not say much of anything, but was compelled to relay my perceptions on the apparent quality.

Winger