For the money I have found I like the carbon express terminator hunters with the buf-tuf finish to be the toughest carbons I have shot. I had good luck with gold tip xt hunters also. I bought half a dozen of each of these and a dozen pse carbon force dominators and I have more of the carbon express arrows left because the pse arrows kept splitting at the knock end. Total junk IMO. The gold tips were the first carbons I bought and my son is now shooting the last 4 out of 6 that I bought. The other 2 broke in deer.