There certainly are a lot of people who look down on harvesting does. My guess from your post here is that you might be one of them.
Now you are doing the same thing you accuse me of, reading something into a post that isn't there at all, easy to do isn't it.
That is not me at all, and I didn't post anything to lead you to believe that, so, your guess is a bad one.
Many of you guy's like to claim it's purely selfish for them to shoot small bucks, but the exact same thing can be applied to the AR situation. In that, those who want to shoot bigger bucks, want more of them, and therefore, are willing to deprive "regular" hunters the chance to shoot a deer that makes them happy in order to have more big bucks for the trophy hunters to choose from. The goals of those who denigrate "buck" hunters are just as selfish as those they belittle. In fact, I would argue that the goals and aims of those people are more selfish, soley because they aim to deprive someone else of taking a deer that holds such value to them, just so that AR guys will have more targets in the woods
Again, who did I call selfish other than one person who demonstrated exactly what I'd call the epitomy of selfishness.
Obviously you and i disagree about deer management but if an apology is owed here you owe one. I responded to one particular glaring example of one posters hypocracy and selfishness and you responded by assuming incorrect facts and putting words in my mouth.
I didnt attack you, I didnt attack your grandfather, I didnt attack any hunter because of his standards being different than mine let alone any group of hunters. I pointed out the double standards of ONE GUY period.
And I'm the ignorant one?????
I'll admit I was generalizing here, and I guess saying "many of you guys" (meaning the entire forced AR crowd) wasn't clear enough. Seems like you and deadeer have a personal thing going, why is that?
And BT, we don't differ that much about deer management. I don't hate antler restrictions, I just don't believe they should be forced state wide. What it comes down to is that you have bought the whole bag of goods, hook, line and sinker. I did that here as well several years ago, but after seeing what happens, have modified my position. I think antler restrictions work great where done on private land, where they can be done correctly, and not infringe on another hunter's preference. I also don't believe they should be forced state wide becuase they are still not proven to do what you have been promised. In fact, like I stated before, recent studies have shown under certain conditions, conditions very similar to the hunting environment in Pa, they are actually bad for the herd. That is just a fact, not my opinion. If you have an issue with that, you need to take it up with the biologists and professional deer managers who concluded such.
As for the attack, well, lets just say that maybe you did intend this one particular post at one particular individual, but it didn't really come across that way to me. In the past, in these same discussions, the same things have been said by you and others about hunters who don't practice passing small bucks, and I was probably generalizing a bit to the entire discussion, not just this individual post.
And about the dispersal question, you should know that adult does are what force young bucks to disperse. If those does are taken out, they will not be there to force the young bucks to new range. Now, again, I'm not saying shooting does is a bad thing, I like to do plenty of that myself. But trying to shoot alot of does, while carefully protecting button bucks, can lead to inbreeding, because those bucks will likely not disperse. Again, not my opinion, but a fact. I've even seen some hunting video's where they tell you to spare every button buck and shoot all the mature does you can so the bucks stay on your ground
Whatever the case, if you and I were on the same lease, you would probably be surprised just how much we agree on, I just adamantly disagree when it comes to forcing my, or anyone elses personal preference statewide. And so much of the AR discussion has been grounded in belittling and trashing hunters as somehow less than worthy if they just want to take a buck, including small bucks. It's one theme that dominates this topic, and I know you have seen it, and taken part in it. It's just plain wrong to make people feel small because they desire to take a small buck (this general comment is directed at everyone who's done it, so don't think I'm twisting your point again, this isn't specific to your post).