Guys, I hate to say this, but if you can't wait for a decent shot, and wait for a broadsided shot, and can't recover a deer shot with a barnes bullet from a 223, then you shouldn't be allowed to hunt. From your guys posts, I have a feeling, you kinda get up and just start banging away with a gun and need 338Win mags to down you animals. I may be wrong, you guys might really keep animals in the distance you can recover them and are very ethical and hope you are.