Dr Kill, interesting tactic with the pen lights! Fully understand where your coming from regarding public land hunting... My buddy and I make it a point to be the first person in the parking lot which equates to a o'dark thirty time - usually way to early! In the past I usually liked to be on stand at least 45 mins to an hour before 1st light. Due to a lack of activity in my setups during the early AM I might walk in a little later...