Tree climber, I totally agree. Our property is polluted with doe. We do have a good number of alpha class bucks though. I normally don't rattle too much during pre rut here. The big boys really don't get too excited about the rut until its time to breed. Seems they realize how the whole thing goes each year and know when to turn on the machismo and when to lay back and let the little buggers waste all their energy. I'll rattle the first two weeks in November, when they are chasing does and I start to see the big boys coming out of the wood work.