Ken, I agree with you on the speed thing, I just havent seen too many screamers while shooting, I would bet that only a few were at 300fps. As we are seeing, there are a ton of ideas about what we can or should do, and it feels like while weighing these ideas its coming back around to changing nothing. Whether or not changing anything will make it better to get new people started shooting as regular as we do, and showing up to shoot, I dont know. I am seeing a lot of really good ideas, most of which I could live with, some I would welcome. But how do we begin to narrow them and come to a concesus on what changes (if any) we want to see? I realize that we may not be able to see into the future, but what pitfalls will we be expecting? None of us want to see the attendance decline, and that is what needs to be avoided, and at all possible to get more to show up. thanks butchb.