MUZZY'S, MUZZY'S, MUZZY'S, not one on the market that can do what these do. Don't believe me , get a dull one and shoot it against a sharp Crimson Talon into a 1 inch piece of plywood , I did, the C.T. 's blades broke into pieces, while the muzzy looked the same, as before I shot it. I'm a believer now. Try it , you'll be suprised to