Looks like this thread is going places after all. 280 f.p.s. no binos, keep the 11 ring. Make this a trophy only class, no money. These few changes would encourage those wanting to compete for money to move up to MBR class and accomplish the objectives described in this thread so far. If a shooter wants to shoot a more competitve setup he/she can move up to MBR and shoot the 5 grains per pound and shorter fletchings etc. At least this way it is a shooters choice to move up and not be forced up. It will however give them incentive to move up and compete in MBR or open. I think there have been a lot of GOOD suggestions so far in this thread, keep them coming. It is good to see the forum on IBO used to benefit all of it's members and give them some input on the sport we all love so much.