I agree with all of you guys in a way, the 223 is an awesome caliber especially if you handload, but for wasting of varnints only and plinking, no centerfire in my opinion is good for small game if you wanna eat the critter. It is fun to pop nusiance squirrels and rabbits occasionally with and on up to coyotes, but it really does a good job of blowing things up. Dont be hard on mcgavin i see his point and everyone elses too.