kinda depends what I am hunting. I use my flinter 50 with patched round ball over 75 grains of FFg black for most things, best accuracy in a hunting load for me in that rifle, but for big stuff; moose/elk sized I use 80 to 100 grains of 2F under a maxi hunter 370 grain or a swaged pure lead 444grain. it doesn't group like the roundball but gets through that tough hide like I need it to while being acceptable in accuracy to 75 yards.