I talked to a few reps of Hornady while at the NRA annual convention in Pittsburgh. What a great bunch of guys. They were very informative and very pleasant. I can't say the same about some of the other reps i met there. I won't Disparage them though! It was quite hectic at the convention, alot of people there swarming for the free stuff, so I will give the others the benefit of the doubt. The public (us/we) can be real trying at times