Ya it was hagshouse that I have been looking at. I need to check out the forum, but I think that is definitly the way to go to get a digital. half the price and a little more pride for building it yourself. I might be getting a cheap stealth cam from wal mart in a couple of days to put out on my elk spot on sunday. My buddy has his camera out and we have already had a roll of cows and little bulls, and some real nice blacktail deer.