Just so you guys know where I stand, I think Hoyt bows are still the best. Problem being around here the bow tec guys are shooting pro fortys for 3D but most are having trouble getting the speed they want out of the bow. Same for the Mathews Ovation. I wonder what they were thinking when they bought a bow with an 8 inch brace height. Oh well, I don't have any trouble getting speed out of any of my Hoyts. Food for thought.