80#s isn't really needed anymore.... esp on deer sized game. I used to shoot an 80# PSE Carroll Intruder back when I was in high school... it was pretty easy for me to do at the time. I couldn't do it now if I wanted to. Back during that time.. it's what you had to do to shoot "fast" (300fps). I'm shooting my Patriot dually at 67# right now.. and I wouldn't want to even attempt to draw an 80# dually. It was shooting 296 fps at 62# w/ a 327gr arrow. Considering the amount of enery these bows are putting out today.. heavy weights are just another way to say you have a small..... uhh... brain.. that's it...