toby was here in michigan this past month! the savage is a good gun but 3k fps with a load that isnt legal to hun t with in a lot of states and from what i have seen accuracy suffered at those numbers at least out of my friends savage. you guys came up with a great gun for sure but it cant hit those numbers with pellets can it? i like the smokeless asspect of the savage i have shot some pretty wicked numbers too out of my ultimate with smokless and 5744 and vit powders as well, but the main differance is the ultimate is doing it with pellets not loose smokeless powder and it is legal,
ralph laymar has a pretty good article comming out here on the ultimate as well as gun world and a few others, but i will admit the savage is a nice gun for the money, and at 1500 hundred the ultimate is out of somes pocket book reach, i just worked a hell of a lot of ot to get mine and since i handled some of the first ultimates pre dating the savage, but maybe a head to head test is in order here! hummm i like that idea maybe ill get a savage and try it out against my guns.

also no vent liners to be modified, no replacing them, no sub bases etc.. just load and shoot and well i can get you my numbers with the 200 grainer if yah like as well it is scarry and then again just load and shoot, and no breech plug to pull and clean ever.

but all stuff aside have you talked with randy latley i have been meaning to call him