TAZMAN... if you go back to the beginning post the man remarked on never hearing anything about The Muzzy Zero anymore. Reason being, it's proven it's value, has stood the test of time(about 4 years) and is STILL the number one fall away. All the others want to grow up to be just like Muzzy. So in response to your querry.... this thread too shall pass and we'll have a resurrection of all the others trying to unseat the king. In 2 or 3 years some other uninformed nimrod will pose the question again and we shall rally with the answers. All is well in Muzzy Land and the Fall-A-Way Kingdom. All we need is a mascot with big round ears.