they are the best kept secret in arrows, they are exactly the same as Carbon Express, except $20 cheaper. the carbon fury's for $40 are the terminators. The carbon maxx for $60 is actually the CX shafts. The back of the box it even says that they are made by Eastman Outfitters, just like Carbon Express. I live beside of a Bass Pro shops so I called the number on the back of the box of arrows, sure enough they lady told me that they were exactly the same as the Carbon Express Shafts, she stated that they allow Basspro to sell them cheaper because basspro will give them tons of space in their catalog.