Butchb and 3DXRING, I like most of your ideas, I think if we get enough ideas about this subject BowPro can come up with a qusetionare for the people in the HC. I personally like the idea of a HC money class with longer average shots. I dont no what the average shot was at Erie but I liked that range very much. The shots at Bedford I thought were to close. When the shots are 25yds and in it makes the 11 ring very important. Or should I say you can miss a few 11s at 32 or 35yds but you can not mis one at 23 yds. Maybe with longer average shots the 11 ring would be a bonus and not something you have to hit at least 60% of the time if you want to finish on the first page.