I agree with you Mr. Longbeard. I hunt with four others and before season starts we pattern our guns very year trying new chokes and loads looking for that perfect combo. Four different guns Remington 870, Winchester 1300, Stoeger Auto, and a Benelli SBE. none pattern well-passed 40 yards. We’ve been doing this for a number of years and I think over that time we’ve tried just about everything you can buy off the self at any sporting goods store. I wouldn’t trust a 45-yard shot with any of the guns.