thanks guys , sounds like clinbers have been the main number chosen ,
i thought about theft myself and was considering chain or cable locks for security ,

BTW - i hunt hickory run state park and beltzville state park , and the state game lands and forests in the area , do any of you know if these places allow lock in place stands ( that don't harm the trees ) and ladders ( of the same type )

originally i was looking at a ladder stand on i think basspro shops site made by " strongbuilt " for 70 to 80 dollars , they've got climbers and lock on stands too