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Old 06-24-2004 | 09:12 PM
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DougE
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Default RE: How many Pa hunters are pleased?

BT,I'll give you a rebuttal on why the vast majority of professionals support this plan.It can be summed up with two words.Forest recertification.I have the 46 page forest certification that was done in 1998 if you want to read it.It clearly states that one of the main conditions of recertification this year is to drastically reduce the herd.Byron shissler headed that project and now works with dcnr holding Gary's hand all the way.These professionals are all state employees and have the same goal in mind.Drastically reduce the herd.They are simply doing what they are told to do.Keeping our forests certified is worth alot more money to this state than keeping the hunters happy.

Think about this for a second and try and give me a rational explanation.I speak alot about 2g and 3c.This is because I grew up in 3c and still hunt there alot.I moved to 2g back in 1991 so I'm intimately familiar with these two places.3C is loaded with deer and the hunting has always been excellent in that area.It's so good that it's actually anti-climatic to hunt there in my opinion.Never one time have I made the trip to hunt back there that I haven't returnrd with a deer.Not one single time.That area has so many deer that Gary Alt had an article in a local paper two years ago on the last day of the season.He was appalled at the huge amount od deer in susquehanna county.2G on the other hand,used to have too many deer.The herd has been steadily decreasing since the mid ninties.That is a positive thing but my deer sighting and those of most of my buddies has been extemely low the last three years.Last year was the worst we ever experienced.I was lucky enough to kill a decent public land 8 point on the first wed of archery season.I hunted several days a week for the next six weeks and only saw one deer from my stand.This past spring I was out almost daily hunting and scouting for turkeys and saw zero deer the entire time on public property.Since then,I've been out spotting and glassing every saturday and sunday and have yet to see a legal buck.Some nights I don't see more than 3 deer.Presently,this is the only unit in the state that is below Alt's deer density goal.This is what hunting is like at 12 dpsm.There are not more and bigger bucks than ever before.This is what everyone has to look forward to when Alt's goals are met.Now for my question.Why is 2g getting an increase in doe tags while 3c is getting a reduction of 3000?I want to hear your explanation but here's mine.2g has a huge amount of state forest land while 3c has none.

Don't get me wrong.I personally support ar and reasonable herd reductions but 12 dpsm is ridiculous.These deer are healthy and the regeneration is good where responsible logging has taken place.I don't need to see 20 deer every time I hit the woods nor do I want to.One is really all it takes.However,never in my life have I gone almost 6 weeks without a single deer sighting.Remember,I'm hunting deer at the levels Alt wants the whole state to be at.There is no way any of his claims can come true under these conditions.That's all I'm trying to get accross.I hear guys say how great this plan is.They're still seeing plenty of deer and bigger bucks to boot.What they fail to understand and need to realize is, thats not the plan and it will change eventually.Just like Alt said,get used to seeing less deer.If your not seeing alot less deer at this point,Alt's plan is not succeeding in your area and things will eventually change.
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