Who in the world could speak for every 1000,000 firearm hunters and all the hunters in Kansas. On average I talk to maybe 1-2K different hunters per month and get on this subject with maybe half of them. And yes a very very high majority are firearms hunters are just like me on the unitization of bow permits(and i'm talking a 95%-5% ratio). Maybe I only get to talk to just a small of the whole population, but it gives the "common sense" knowledge with real hunters. The same knowledge that won't be picked up from going to school, or surfing the internet gathering hypothetical information.

And like I said before:

It's so obvious your experience with the public is very, very limited. Does that make you a bad hunter... no. Getting to know the public is not done by sitting behind the computer, dweling on something as hypothetically could happen, according to data. I've hunted all over Kansas, know a lot about the culture in different areas, the population, and the attitudes. This is what getting out of the shell and away from your house teaches you. It's getting out there and understanding what people think and believe, about the greatest sport of all... Hunting.

It's not whether you are a bad or a good hunter, it's the ethical logic that makes me question you on the type of hunter you are. I am so against hunters bickering among themselves the rifle vs. bowhunters. It's so stupid because hunters need to unit as a whole, if an anti-hunter read this forum, they'd give you a pat on the back. Just read the first couple of posts before I even came into the discussion because I felt bad for a good guy like Howler getting ripped for the wrong reasons, and the wrong information being sent to the lurkers out there.

Give me one good reason why you think SBC 363 happened because the riflehunters were fed up with the bowhunters? Plain and simple, you have given me no reason other than you obviously being jealous of the bowseason, and yes you are the minority. Sorry but that is pathetic. It's so out there that I can't beleive I am even debating with someone on this issue.


I guess that is a "whoops", no coment on that post from Mark. [&:]


Visit my website, that'll explain enough about my love for Kansas hunting as a whole, rifle or bow. I taken around 50% oof my kills with a bow and about 50% with a rifle. No bias opinion, and no bull####.

Mark you have came up with some good points, the first one that pops in to mind is take a doe before a buck(according to the county only), sounds like a great idea. Especially for counties that are close to the major cities.

Here is something I need to say before I go further. The area around Johnson County(Olathe/Kansas City area) opened their rifle season early this past year to lower the deer herd. This decision was highly pressured by the insurance agencies, and was accepted. During this time period, I talked to so many people so excited since they were able to watch a big buck across the side of a 2-3 hundred yards across the field and nail him, since he was stupid and running after the does. Did this season help the management? Very minimal, it helped take a lot of nice bucks out, and lower the quality deer management goal. This truley made me sick to the stomach, because I heard about this senario so much. Just another mistake made by the KDWP, not because of the riflehunters were being fed up, but because of the money driven lobbyists.

Here's what I truley believe. Mark you are a hunter that doesn't hear much form the real hunting public, but you do care about what Kansas hunting is and hope the best for it. That we can both agree on. You are fairly biased against bowhunters. Why not join as hunters and make a resolution. You obviously know the political and lawful issues more than 99% of the hunters out there. We agree there is a problem and that you think the culprit of the problem is the bowhunters and I think it is because of the majority infuence of the outfitters, lobbyists, commercialists, etc,. How about we put our brains together and achieve something great, like what is BEST FOR THE HUNTING IN KANSAS. Isn't that our whole goal? Please, join us hunters as a whole and we can acheive much more. But first the understanding of the problem is your first real problem in helping of the situation.