The deer herd is managed for "public tolerance" by Statute. You and I are hunters and want to see big bucks and a healthy herd, Yes? But That is not the legal reason to manage the deer herd. You are pointing out an ideas I agree with, but 130,000 hunters are NOT a majority in the state of Kansa, the remaining 2.5 million are and the majority rules. It has nothing to do with malnutrition of the herd. (Hardly able to happen in Kansas anyway because it is one large food plot ie agriculture).

As for the rest, you didn't read the thread I put TTT for you to read. It was not that simple was my point, and your statement shows rigidity of thinking and the substance an ignorance of management principals and legal requirements and implications. The thread in

deerhunting forum, thread "Kansas Deer Hunters..." shows very clearly my collection of facts, figures, public policy statements and the whol boat of issues you choose to rehash. That argument was a year ago, and because of some very poor actions of KBA members who are employees of the state KDWP lite into a senator, you are sitting in the funk you are now in.

Here is a little bit of information; it is going to get far worse for bowhunters in the future in Kansas. The legislative body is not getting the information and the investigation of KBA member KDWP employees releasing information on an ongonig investigation (misconduct by statute) done by KDWP. There is simply no support for bowhunters in the state anymore, legislatively. What do you expect when you as a hunting community light into senators for crying out load. However, to simply blame it on outfitting is simplistic, and shows that you are not aware of the dirty tricks that were done to a few senators, in the name of KBA. Bowhunters hung themselves on this issue, first by aleinating the firearms hunters, then by lighting into legislative representatives. Why would either of those groups (most hunters BTW) support bowhunting after all the fine things dtated about them, and restrictions, and circular logic (which you display).

For example, look at Howlers post in that thread. Totally different than what he is saying now. He is the one who changed his tune. That's why I put it TTT. You guys don't have a consistent argument nor any other issue than "bowhunters only".

This is called political "blowback". And bowhunters in Kansas made this bed, so quit complaining about it with hypothetical issues. Deal with data. Deal with reality. As a hunting group, you will now experience the same deafening sound of being ignored and your arguments not being heard. I did not do this, but I did predict the current state of affairs over a year ago. Check the thread, read it.

Til then your arguments ring very hollow. Just compare your statements to that made a year ago by bowhunters, my statements are consistent, accurately reflect the ongoing conditions and are backed up by data and legal precedent. Always have been....always will.