Buckshot, You'll find it a waste of time here to try and reason with a few whiners. All you'll do is waste a bunch of time and get a deluge of out of context statistics in return. We know that most hunters are pleased of at least cautiously optimistic about what's evolving in Pa.

I was around when Gary Alt took over the black bear program and there was a small but NOISY bunch then too predicting doom. Time will tell and I choose to let the professionals do their job in managing for the good of the resource. If that changes how and where I have to hunt, so be it. Most of the complaining seems to come from the " I can't find a deer to kill" crowd followed by the " I had to pass a small buck" gang.

Then there's the bean counter on steroids................